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Walk Don't Run - B.H. Series

Discussion in 'Critique & Feedback' started by Craig Dukerschein, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. Hello,

    This is a follow-through from advice given by Doug Gibson along with encouragement from John E. and Aaron V. ("... study some scores from cripes' sakes!") per my Run For Life post. Doug explained B. Herrmann's method of permutations and provided a slew of motivic development options (see post).

    I won't give a play-by-play now, but the first part introduces the primary material which is later used as fodder in the permutation sequence. I have done a shallow study off B.H.'s music in the past week and selected a few of his patterns as a guide. They include The Umbrella Structure: upper voices playing a multi-measure arc of closely spaced notes in two-part harmony with another voice playing chords beneath them in a simple rhythm (Little Girl Lost, Twilight Zone). Also included is a bit of Scene D' Amour from Vertigo with two of the three iterations using the original chords (now I've got your attention)

    The MIDI-data is still rough in parts but heck, that's a lot of notes for me in one week! All comments are appreciated.

    https://www.orfium.com/track/699977/walk-dont-run-craigduke/

    Craig
     
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  2. FYI, I just updated the file. I cleaned up some of the intra-module transitions.
     
  3. Nice !! Sounds like you are on a roll.

    If I can nit-pick one thing. I really like the harmonies you created from Scene D'Amour ( this is about 75% the way thru. You have C# and G# alternating in the bass). However leave the melody alone. (I am referring to about 30% of the way thru the piece) It just pulls me too far out of your piece and back into Vertigo. I think it's most success-full when you confound me in some way, and the vertical sonorities seem like a wonderful path not really follow by Hermann in the same manner.

    Other wise I think everything is developing really well. You still have further to go, but a very impressive 2nd act. Bravo !
     
  4. I like the harmonic/rhythmic permutations of the modules. On first hearing, there was a 20 second or so section starting around 1:12 to 1:30ish (not exact), where you lost me. Maybe I'll get it on a repeated listening, I get that you're going for a stylistically contrasting section there, but I don't know what I'm listening for there (maybe the introduction of new harmonic colors is too contrasting with the rest of the piece?). Anyway, lovely sketch.
     
  5. Thanks Doug. My mother uses the word "nit-pik." She's 92. Just sayin'.

    I shortened up the third appearance of Scene D'Amour. Just a wiff of it left. An echo from a past love. I believe that was the one you were talking about. That makes sense, given that I was just starting the fast-paced sequence between modules; no reason to get bogged down in the past. I continued to work on the transitions between modules and module placement.

    Because many of the modules are in different keys it take some crafting to modulate between them in a handful of beats. It's a good exercise in introducing new pitches for the upcoming measure while not sounding out of place in the present. That's modulation for you. Humans can get used to most anything, but it usually take time. "Honey, I think I'm going to cancel HBO next month." Give people time to get used to it. In music, no such luck.

    Thanks for the comments Bradley. I believe you are talking about the Scene D'Amour from Vertigo (?). I wanted to add the famous theme to the piece for all the BH fans, so I put it there. I did want a contrast in harmony between the first instance (mine - pretty love) and second (Herrmann's - strange love). I tried to transition into it. Maybe I took a too easy path. I do find that I can get used to sounds after multiple hearings. Then I come back the next day and think it sounds out of place. And visa versa. Same with the module transitions. Sound good at first, but later does not. I think some things sound good because I repeat it so many times. My brain finds good in it, when in fact it is not. That's life. Then again there is always the "I spent all that time writing that, there's no way I'm going to get rid of it!."

    I always remember what a professor of mine told me many years ago. He said that it take courage to remove a part or section you wrote from a composition and there is a natural bias against doing so, even when you know it should not be there. Not to get too far off topic but he also talked about knowing when to stop. The idea has haunted me for years. He showed me Beethoven sketches as an example. LvB writes a melody, nothing special, then transforms it ten times, then, knows it is exactly as it should be, knows when to stop. I suppose that has a lot to do with a composer's musical maturity, refined sense of beauty, and all that. Which gets into current neuroscience which seems to agree that at our core, we do not decide things based on rational thinking, we just "know." "Knowing" is delivered to us from our subconscious. I do know I should not write more on this less I bore my audience. See, I do know when to stop!
     
  6. Have an excerpt of the transition in PDF format (maybe there's alternate ways to transition/modulate)?
     
  7. Just to make sure I am clear, I believe it was at this time stamp that I meant with my comments. When it's the out in the open Vertigo quote.
    I like all the chords you derived from the work later on. That was pretty cool. One spot in particular I loved

    That one. Don't fucking touch that one. Or I'll steal it and make my own piece out of it.

    It can be done. I wrote this on another website when I was asked about modulation. Mike has a whole masterclass on the topic for sale, and in my opinion it is best of all the masterclasses he offers. (for me at least)

    Obviously you know the two principles of voice leading right ?

    Carry over common tones and move as little as possible.

    Today there is really only three types of voice leading. Parallel, Oblique, and Contrary.
    (No one gives a shit about Similar anymore. It just happens by default.)

    The one voice-leading is find most pleasing, and interesting is Oblique. The great thing about oblique motion is it requires rhythmic contrast (again by default)

    Really if think about the Vertigo theme you like...... what is it's DNA ? Accented Dissonance. In this case via Suspension.

    Since you like that "Gesture" why not experiment with each of your modules. Thus, think of any vertical sonority you have also as having a horizontal
    axis....... aka......."voices"....... aka "voice leading".

    The oblique motion means you will avoid having everything change on "1". It is human to over emphasize the down beat of 1. It is godly to do otherwise.

    Here is an except of a tutorial series I made that shows two things

    1. How much interest can be extracted by avoiding "blocks" of chords
    2. When playing with "Blocks" of chords, we will hear the passage as unified harmony, not as counterpoint. This again comes back to the rhythmic structure or syntax of the music.


    I'll post the modulation tips below in another reply




     
  8. 1. Let me help clear up my confusion about the SD'A instances. There are three. The first two are back to back (the second of which uses BH harmony). The third is later at the start of the module development section and has the C# G# pattern in the bass. I thought you meant the third should be changed.

    This link plays the first two, then the third (C#/G#) and a shortened version of the third.

    https://www.orfium.com/track/700455/sda-variants-a-c-c-c-new-craigduke/

    2. I was modulating when you were still in diapers ;) Yes, I do know how to modulate but will take Mike's class as a refresher.

    What I did not clearly communicate, a few posts ago, was that I had not anticipated all of the characteristic of my group of modules before I got into writing the cycle; one being key differences. Speaking generally, some modules can be spliced directly together (same key or not). Others want a transition. Some transition may be required because of a difference in key, vertical and linear harmony differences, register differences, rhythmic differences, texture differences, etc. So, when modules do not splice, there is work to be done. That said, the transitions themselves are not bad thing, but opportunity.

    I should probably use SoundCloud since it has a time counter. Less confusion. Or better yet, if someone could suggest one of these video programs where I could show the score and audio. ??
     

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