Perpetual Light for Violin and Orchestra

@William Kersten: you know I like your music, but whatever leads to your forum behaviour - you need to get that shit fixed! Seriously! I don't want to dogpile onto you as well because you're already receiving plenty of feedback, but since you're asking to be removed from here and have already burned every conceivable bridge on VI:C, this might be the last time we talk, and I want to give you the best possible chance to understand why and where you fucked up. I've seen your post towards re-peat in the star wars thread and I just can't find a way to even remotely justify this wall of insults that you posted there:

Forums are a give and take, if you want to ever join a forum again and try and be a part of an online community, here are a couple basic guidelines that should make your stay more pleasant, both for you, but also for everyone else:
- Don't post any of your work in your first 200 posts, use these posts to help others and get "a feel" for the place and how it "works". Build good will towards you, share your knowledge, give useful feedback.
- When you start posting your work, make sure you give feedback to at least 3 other posted pieces every time you post one of yours, and make sure you thank everyone who listens and comments, even if you disagree 100% with their feedback. You're among professionals, no one owes you anything, be thankful for everyone who takes time out of their day to listen to your music and give feedback.
- Never insult anyone! You have to learn to be the bigger man and keep that shit to yourself. Every time you insult someone online you're digging your social grave in that community deeper. If you need someone to vent, talk to your therapist about it. If you don't have one, get one.
If people see you taking the high road after receiving an unfair comment/insult/critique, they will start to gain respect for you and your ability to control your emotions, and if you keep helping people, stay cool and become a part of the community, they'll eventually think you're a pretty cool dude.
- People liking your music, can only ever be the cherry on top. You can not let that impact you on an emotional level. Even the best composer in the world is disliked by many. It's normal, get over it!
- You need to focus on learning to consistently have amicable interactions with other people online and ignore all the trolls. Based on your past posts you seem to think there are dozens of trolls on each forum, but in reality it's just one or two people maybe and all the other people are simply reacting to your own current behaviour, which frankly is not acceptable.

I hope you're able to swallow your impulse for a rebuttal, give it a couple of days to calm down, read it again, re-evaluate your experience on every forum you have ever been to, and then reconsider going back to one of those places under a different nickname and trying out to see if I was right and you will have much better social interactions on forums if you follow these simple guidelines.

I like your work and I genuinely only wish you the best. It's tragic to see you try and fail to become part of two different communities in such short time. I've been part of forums for over 2 decades, this pattern is fairly rare, because you are doing it very wrong. With a few simple changes, things would go much better for you online. I believe you can change and make this happen. Good luck William!

 

To Alex- I can easily handle anything you have to criticize, no problem. Go right ahead if you can.

To Doug Gibson - you have perfected an art - not of music, but of trashing people in a subtle way to assuage your little damaged ego without getting into trouble with the "authorities." It is pathetic. Because you need to understand something but don't - doing something on an internet forum means nothing in any actual reality.

To Alex, you are a kind and sympathetic person and I have no quarrel with you, only the people who use your forum - like Gibson - to put down others. This has already alienated me and other composers I know. However I won't say goodbye because of the mockery of Gibson - his usual attitude. I won't give the troll the pleasure. He is very good at sarcastically dismissing people and obviously has a Junior High School level clique of supporters here.

 

Alexander you have a great attitude and express yourself so well. I appreciate your comments. I have not heard your music but it must be really good. Thanks for being so kind and understanding.

 

"Only to come back again, and hurl an insult, and tell us you are leaving again.

Only to come back again, and hurl an insult, and tell us you are leaving again.

Only to come back again, and hurl an insult, and tell us you are leaving again.

Only to come back again, and hurl an insult, and tell us you are leaving again.

Only to come back again, and hurl an insult, and tell us you are leaving again."

- Doug Gibson (This is a direct copied quote from the post)


"Both yourself and William seem to reply in such a personal and explosive way....... Without ever contributing anything other than self-promotion."
- Doug Gibson


"Did ya hear that "Bitch Boy Billie"? It is actually possible to be friends and have different opinions."
- Doug Gibson


So everything Doug Gibson says is fine with you Alexander? This stuff is why I don't like the posts of this person. He acts like an obnoxious, insulting troll to me. But to everyone else- he is wonderful. OK... He helps them figure out what they should be figuring out for themselves. I'll try and keep that in mind as he piles on the insults. So all that is OK with you Alexander? Don't you see the contradiction? No drama, I don't really care, but to see this kind of stuff on the internet is what makes me decide to just stay away from places like this.

It is clear - there is a little clique here of "approved" people and those "not approved." I am actually glad to realize, I am "not approved."

 

Thanks Alexander, you tried. Much respect.

William, I'm sad to read this. I like your music very much, and as far as I know, there are no "approval" ratings on this forum. The simple rule seems to be "don't be that guy". I suppose we could spank Doug (bad Doug!), although I'm not really into that (and afraid he might be), so let's just scrap that idea. How about we just move on?

btw, I'm curious, how do you have time to write a Symphony and also battle on the forums? You must be really good with time management or know some trick I don't. Looking forward to hearing another one of your symphonies. Cheers.

 

Hmmm.

We need to talk Greg. Step into my car.

 

Yeah, too much reality these day (both cartoon and comments). The world needs to lighten up and have a bit more tolerance and humor. Reading back through history, composers were pretty harsh with each other. I mean, really devastating! However, they didn't have internet forums to instantly bash each other and spew vitriol. And there was time between comments where people could simmer and come to their senses before giving a knee-jerk reaction. And they were forgiving (after time). There's something really insidious about the ability to instantly reply on the internet, particularly amidst the current "call-out culture" where comments are broadcast to millions and digital history last forever. You think we'd have learned to deal with it by now. Go figure.

 

Gregory you are so cool. Thanks.

I will pay attention to you and Alexander. I do waste time with yelling on Forums. One should always be positive. I have several books by Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra and Wayne Dyer that I consult carefully, and yet they haven't yet worked.

 

William, I think a lot of us are dealing with an immense amount of pressure and tension these days. You're not alone. These are difficult times. And I know that many here on this forum are dealing with really serious life issues and struggles. Yet, these people are still working away despite their handicaps. The common theme on this forum seems to be people want to learn and study about music and share with others because that is an element that is missing in our modern world. When you read back through history, whether its Korngold, John Williams, Prokofiev, or Tchaikovsky, they grew up in world of musicians constantly sharing and working with each other. And that is in part why Mike created this forum where the focus is more on music and composing instead of on gear and samples.

It would be great to hear about what you're working on these days or a retrospect on your composing process used for your Symphony or other works. Sometimes by sharing with others, its an opportunity to learn ourselves. And for myself, diving into music is the best medicine to get away from the tensions of the daily grind. In any case, I think you'll find most people here are not so judgemental, but more focused on improving themselves, sharing a common interest in music, and trying to elevate their general skills in the craft of composition. I hope you hang around here as I think you have a great deal to share. And who knows, maybe learn something new once in a while too? Regardless, have a great 2020 and look forward to hearing your work this year.