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Melodic Sensibility

Discussion in 'Tips, Tricks & Talk' started by Rohann van Rensburg, Apr 15, 2019.

  1. I've been having more and more Japanese composers recommended to me by YouTube and the like, probably as a result of binging Hisaishi.

    Listening to a lot of this, and thinking about Mike's relationship with Japanese directors (I think he's mentioned a few? Or at least one?): is it just me, or does the melodic sensibility live far more strongly in Japan these days? They've always have a strong focus on the melodic, as far as I can tell (historically), but I look at music from shows like this, and while there are some too-fast string runs and while not exactly long-form in a traditional sense, this music is leaps and bounds stronger than I've encountered from literally any TV show I can think of in recent memory and there are consistent, recurring themes.

     
  2. @Mike Verta There's a new Ultraman show on Netflix, I was hoping you'd have scored it, but so far I was sorely disappointed. :(


    @Rohann van Rensburg I recently watched Psycho Pass (which by the way blew my mind like no show or movie has in a while) and noticed that they use very little music, but had one theme that they reused a couple of time in the first season in different contexts and I very much liked how they did it.
    I share your impression that music in animes on average is more melodic than in US shows. Would be interesting to know why that is.
     
  3. They've certainly got a more sophisticated and thorough appreciation for art and culture than we tend to, on average. Music permeates their history. It's interesting reading about Bushido and how Samurai (some, anyway) were required to learn the "Japanese guitar" (shamisen?), specifically for carrying sorrowful folk melodies to instill a sense of tenderness and grace to balance their constant confrontation with the horrors of warfare. I'm embarrassingly ignorant of proper names, but look at something like their tea ceremony -- it was created during a time of intense bloodshed and turmoil, as an outlet to incorporate grace and beauty into an otherwise ordinary event. While these practices may only be shadows of their former selves, art permeates their cultural practices and heritage. We don't really have any history like this in North America.
     
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  4. Could just be animation full stop.

    I mean the batman animated series from 20-30 years ago got me hooked, and some of the first things I ever transcribed.

    Since having kids I have heard things in the background that have really impressed me that no grown man should ever watch by himself.

    There was one show --- it was called Sophia the First. They basically had two composers: one who wrote broadway sounding stuff, and another who did
    the Disney orchestra sound.

    Man....one day I was just hearing some totally sick, bad-ass orchestra music....... I mean ...great !!. I ran into my daughters room going
    "What is this " Sophia the First.

    I sounded-- in spirit-- like the complex cues from Hook. That dude can write.

    Also animantation can include so many other styles that it's fun. Yeah, I would say the most sophisticated stuff is actually kids stuff.

    I love these examples, while not orchestral, it's just some fun shit.

    If you don't know about Teen Titans Go ! oh man....... pure heaven !! Same with Family Guy. Check out that fight scene !






     
  5. Great point! I've noticed that with a lot of kids shows. Unfortunately it's not something I'll sit down to watch, but I pay a lot more attention if it's on. I'm not sure why good writing tends to be more prevalent in animation. Maybe there's less of an obsession with homogenized work that panders to the masses. Family Guy has surprisingly fantastic music. I'll look up Teen Titans -- heard of it, but never heard it.

    Have you heard Hisaishi's music?
     
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  6. Japonski composers are damn good and all that stuff is pretty great. Don´t forget also to mention Nobuo fucking Uematsu.

    Battle up your ass theme. (The Final Fantasy VII Soundtrack is imho video game soundtrack art)



    And don´t forget, who was or is the coolest villain in video game history..? ---CE---PHI--ROTH!



    That soundtrack was soo good. Great f..melodies all over the place. A nuclear warhead of creativity. scary-sephiroth.jpg
     
  7. Huge fan of japan anime music!! But also here I always prefer music with themes, like Final Fantasy (X and X-2), One Piece, Inuyasha, Aquarion, Detective Conan






     
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  8. #9 Rohann van Rensburg, Apr 16, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2019
    Thanks for all the shares! Looking forward to exploring more.
    Maybe I need to learn this forum better, but some features like "following" a particular person seem a bit frustratingly non-intuitive. I follow you and don't get notifications for your posts. Will check it out! Not sure how I missed that.

    Oh man. He's just so obvious I forget to include him. I've listened to the first Distant Worlds symphony dozens of times. I remember burning all FFVII songs onto a CD player for my diskman in highschool. The music definitely made this game. This particular iteration had some pretty mature themes and emotional arcs that really stuck with me as a teenager. Such an amazing score. Not a coincidence that Uematsu is a big Deep Purple and prog rock fan. If anyone has sheet music for the Distant Worlds, or other symphonies, I'd really love a PM.

    Love this theme too:


    PS -- Doug will probably love the choral misinterpretation in this one. 3:33: "Many many many ass, everybody touching ass". Sounds apocalyptic rather than provocative.
     
  9. Something I've noticed in a handful of Japanese shows: there often seems to be complete songs, or pieces of music written for a show, which are reused throughout the series. It almost seems to be the way video game music is used. I actually think I prefer this: the pieces are more memorable and are generally complete pieces; the pieces get reused almost as motifs, and overall, you end up with a more listenable soundtrack. What I don't like about the vast majority of TV scores is the fact that the music tends to be pretty forgettable in the long run, considering how much music they have to churn out every week or two. It's difficult to create anything lasting that way.
     
  10. Can't forget Koji Kondo
     

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