Articulation switch in lemur (cubase) - need help

Don't know how your MIDI routing or expression maps are set up (program change messages or keyswitches, attribute or direction, etc.), so I'll first assume it is an issue with your expression map. Double check that you have "remote" keys defined in your expression map. It is in the "Sound Slots" pane of the "Expression Map Setup" menu. It should match the MIDI info you're sending from Lemur for the articulation change.
Here's a link to the official Steinberg help page for more info.
If I think of anything else, I'll add it to this reply. Please update if this suggestion worked.

 

The "Taste" field doesn't match my setup. They should read like: C-1, C#-1, D-1, or C0, C#0, D0, or G5, G#5, etc. See if matching that with your Lemur's MIDI output allows the correct expression to be triggered and recorded. The "Taste" field will typically match the "Wert 1" column in the "Ausgabe-Einstellungen" area of the setup menu, however you can customize it to suit your playing style.

 

I'll keep checking around. I'm still assuming it is something wrong with your expression map (that it isn't writing the MIDI data because it isn't assigned - it triggers the library correctly on Lemur but Cubase isn't setup to read it).
Did you see this forum post on Steinberg? Below is an image of an expression map for Hollywood Brass (with remote keys assigned, output assigned, and the articulation defined).

 

Following up again. As I've said, make sure the remote keys are assigned. In your expression map you posted above, all of the articulations are listed numerically and not with pitch information. Change "1 legato" in your map to "C-2 legato", change "2 leg fingered" to "C#-2 leg fingered", etc. Your output info should remain the same in the top right field of the menu (channel switching, note on switching, cc data switching). I have Lemur on my iPad and will try to replicate recording switches later.

 

It looks like he is using program changes messages instead of key switches in the remote settings, so the numbers in the "Taste" column should not be the problem. I have my expression map set up this way and I have no issues when recording.

 

Thanks for following up Sean.

I did get Cubase to record expression maps from Lemur.

How I got it to work:

1. Set the Cubase instrument track to receive from all MIDI inputs.
2. Set Spitfire to Locked UACC mode and note the relevant CC values. If it is a key switch library, then note the appropriate key switches.
   
3. Set your Expression map "Remote Settings" to "Key Switches" or "Program Changes" depending on how you're sending Lemur info.
   
4. Add a sound slot and set the "Remote" to whatever key you're going to trigger from Lemur. Also give it a name and assign an articulation symbol.
5. Add an Output Mapping. Set Status to "controller" and Data 1 to 32. The Data 2 value must match the UACC value listed in the library (you may also need to set the channel depending on your set up). If it is a key switch library, set the note on value and correct note to trigger the articulation. Also, confirm you're sending it to the correct channel in your sample player.
   
6. Set the articulation, type (attribute/direction), and description in the bottom right expression map menu

You use Lemur to trigger the key switch (any interface that sends a note on or program change message). I use MIDI Kinetics Composer Tools Pro for my Lemur, but you can create or download what is easiest for your preferred recording setup.
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Update: I didn't try this with VEPro, I had it run through a track instrument (Kontakt) in Cubase. Though I assume if your VEPro is setup correctly (as a rack or track), it should be fine.
*Edited to reflect information from my post below. I was fixated on sending CC32 info to the expression map, but it wouldn't respond to that info. It had to be a key switch or program change message. Thanks Sean.

 

I think you might be confusing program change with UACC (which by default uses CC32, it has nothing to do with program change messages). The Remote Settings in Cubase only determine how the user will be triggering articulation changes. So if it is set to program change messages, then Cubase is listening for program change messages and converting those into articulation changes. The Output Mapping section is actually what determines how to switch articulations. So in theory (I haven't actually tried it) if you were using UACC you could send a controller message for CC32 corresponding to the UACC value in Spitfire from the Output Mapping. Based on the picture Andreas posted, articulation 8 sends a note-on message for F#-2, so it seems he is using a keyswitching patch.

Andreas, if I understand correctly, you mentioned that you are able to switch articulations while auditioning sounds and while recording, but upon playing back a recorded passage the articulations don't switch? That seems to mean that the expression maps are set up properly but for some reason Cubase isn't recording the articulation changes along with the midi data. So it sounds like the problem is within Cubase, a setting or routing or something. One thing to check, are the program change messages coming from Lemur being sent on midi channel 1?

 

No, I get that UACC=articulations switched via CC32 values (not program change messages). But I couldn't get the expression map editor to respond to incoming CC changes (don't know why I had it stuck in my head Andreas was trying to send to a UACC library). Then I realized what you were saying! Turns out, this works as advertised - playback/record/displays accurately.
Thanks for the second set of eyes Sean.
(Amending my post above)

 

Any follow up Andreas?

 

Hey guys, hope everyone is well! I am joining this thread because I have a question in regards to articulations in Lemur/Cubase as well. I've set up my Cubase/Lemur template so that I can control the sample libraries on the secondary computer (turning them on/off using the parameters in Lemur) and to control the Cubase window (in terms of hiding/showing certain groups of instruments) using Lemur on my iPad.

I closely followed the instructions in YouTube tutorials by Marco Di Stefano and Mihkel Zilmer, however, I can't seem to work out how to set up all articulations in Lemur so that they correspond with the expression maps in Cubase. Lemur doesn't even react to my selecting different tracks in Cubase. I am rather new to the world of Lemur and feel like I am hitting a brick wall I can't climb over. In terms of the programming of Lemur, I downloaded Mihkel Zilmer's Template but haven't been able to get it to work properly. I would truly appreciate any help on what I may have done wrong along the way. I will attach a few screenshots to illustrate where I am currently at. Thank you for your time!

Best wishes, Sebastian


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