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Discussion in 'Critique & Feedback' started by Kent Kercher, Jun 30, 2018.

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  1. #21 Kent Kercher, Jul 19, 2018
    Yes, very much so! As with @Aaron Venture's answer, I really respect the ability to look at a fresh piece and immediately find and implement multiple ways to improve or reframe it.

    I think the clearest lesson is that the piece I wanted to write and the piece I ended up having written were different. Its relative stillness and slow forward motion were both very conscious decisions, and I'm glad to see that that intention was definitely perceived, but it's very interesting to me that you both offered suggestions to take this up like a notch and a half in energy. Some of that's probably a matter of personal preference, but that you both offered fairly similarly-felt musical suggestions tells me that I probably thought a little too long about the piece rather than just writing it and letting it tell me the momentum it needed to maintain. That is probably from writing (after a brief thematic pencil sketch) first in Dorico, a program which I had only opened up once before in its very early days, so I just spent too much time writing it (as I couldn't move any faster, learning the program from the ground up as I was). In the future, I will probably start with a more fleshed-out pencil sketch, and also probably go straight from there into the DAW. I was just serving too many masters here, I think, and your commentary helped me see that clearly.
     
  2. #22 Kent Kercher, Jul 19, 2018
    I watch this nearly monthly, actually, and I am still finding things I missed. I think my main issue is I am by no means a keyboardist; I'm a wind player. Obviously I'm practicing my keyboard/mod input, but it will likely be years before I can operate as efficiently as I want to there. Might even be worth looking into a EWI or something.
     
  3. #23 Kent Kercher, Jul 19, 2018
    I maybe spent 5 minutes on visual and layout tweaks, and most of that was figuring out how to change the font from the default. It was a nearly painless exercise.
     
  4. #24 Gregory D. Moore, Jul 19, 2018
    Great. I think it shows your orchestration strengths and weaknesses (and btw, more strengths than weaknesses). And I think its a better tool to learn from than working with a DAW and VIs, particularly if you're having some difficulties. For example, you can isolate sections to check balance against each other, try different orchestration ideas quickly on the fly, etc. The fact that it works so well with known scores shows that there are issues when it doesn't work with sections of your own scores. This seems like a great way to learn. But that's just my opinion.

    Once you've ironed out these kinds of issues. Then you can take it to the next level with a DAW and VIs. However, if you're hearing any weakness in NP, its likely an orchestration and not a playback issue. Just my opinion again.
     
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  5. #25 Doug Gibson, Jul 19, 2018
    2 and 3. But really, the questions above are a one way ticket to crazy town. It doesn't matter.

    As for # 1 I advise to orchestrate in a manner that is what you would get if sitting in a concert hall simply listening.
    2 & 3 are distinctions without a difference.

    Just keep learning your favorite music and incorporating them into your own piece.

    Stylistically, this might not be want you wanted to do, but just to show the layers concept I took a fragment of your melody and orchestrated 3-4 bars. This was @ 38" in your piece. I felt your piece really falls down here once we loose all the high twinkly stuff. Again, not stylistically the same, but I think you will be able to hear more independent parts.

    Wishing you all the best

     
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  6. #26 Hans Jonathan Hummelgaard, Aug 11, 2018
    Just a quick question, do you use slurs in noteperformer ? I ask because I usually get better results for the phrases. So accents and slurs and even that flat line above notes that I now can't remember the name of.
    In any case, spending more times with sluring more phrases I think would do wonders for the overall expression. Also more crescendo etc.. Noteperformer can do crescendo per note better than sample based software.
    Noteperformer does take experimentation just like a DAW would - I use it in Sibelius which might support more advanced stuff than Dorico. I think the Dorico version is still beta, not sure... My Noteperformer projects always look messy, they do not look like an engraved sheet you'd hand to an orchestra is my point.
     
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