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Yet another Woodwind Quartet piece

Discussion in 'Critique & Feedback' started by Francesco Bortolussi, Dec 17, 2018.

  1. Heyoo!

    As is the case with many other of my pieces, I had some time this weekend, and I thought it would be cool to write some short musical idea.

    I really enjoy trying to compose music with this inherent "energetic" component, which makes the piece feel ever-changing and exciting. I had another go at a woodwind quartet, to see if I could improve my writing for this ensemble (compared to another one I wrote a while ago).
    I didn't have time to study too much for this particular ensemble (or similar, i.e. quintets), so the orchestration might not be much better than I would've done months ago; although, I do feel I've made some improvements on the compositional aspect/developments of the (two-ish) themes.

    Obligatory: yes, I've heard and I'm familiar with Mike's Berlin Woodwinds demo, I've transcribed most of it months ago and I've learned some cool things from it; I wasn't directly inspired by it, but you can hear that it was definitely in the back of my mind.

    Here's Noteperformer rendition and PDF of the score:


    https://www.dropbox.com/s/dtzh7f4858cgv5e/woodwind_quartet_2.pdf?dl=0

    Hopefully this piece is not gonna get ignored like the last one I posted here :D
     
  2. Well, when are you going to post it ? You went on and on talking about it, then nothing. Put up a link or something.

    Hmmm........ I can't say I recall what other piece you were referring to.
     
  3. Haha I was referring to this little thing I wrote a month ago https://redbanned.com/threads/the-land-of-wonders.616/ that received no comments. How could it be such a bad piece to not deserve any attention! :D

    Any criticism is welcomed for both pieces!
     
  4. I liked both, well done! Don't have any useful criticism, sorry. What impresses me the most is how you were able to give both pieces a satisfying ending, that's something I still feel completely clueless about.
     
  5. Thank you very much, you're very kind!
    Ironically, with all the music I compose, the ending just writes itself 99% of the time. If I worked out my main melody enough and I know it inside out, then an ending that is always satisfying is the final repurpose of that melody with the most "complete" harmonic progression. Most of the times the finale is a dynamic climax (the biggest version of the melody), so I usually do it with the whole orchestra playing "forte", and with optional countermelodies. This all applies and is effective when the piece is a standalone, and requires some sort of dramatic "closure". Of course this is only one way of doing it, and it's surprisingly straight-forward!

    I also really enjoy intertwine the different motifs of the piece at the same time, by having the B theme be a counterpoint melody to the A theme - like I did in this piece. I can't always do it because of the inherent nature of the motifs I'm working with, but when it works out it's very rewarding.

    The endings are by far the laziest sections of my compositions, and I spend next to no time on them. Whenever I get to the point where I have to orchestrate the ending of any piece, I generally shut off my brain because most of the times I'm like "oh, it's gonna be one of those things with violins in octaves, trumpets screaming, etc.". You, as the composer, already know where the "story" is going. You know how big your biggest climax is, and from that point you can work your way back with how you wanna present your themes, and how to arrange them. In a way, I already subconsciously know how the ending is gonna pan out, so it's almost like I already wrote it in my mind when I'm starting a new piece. On the other hand, making everyone play and doubling lines (and thickening the orchestration) for a climax is way easier than carefully balancing the orchestration for any other section before it!

    Hope this is helpful! Thank you for your comment :)
     
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  6. Thank you so much for the in depth explanation! This is really insightful for me. I don't have melodies in my head and in a manner of speaking "never know where I'm going" with something, so maybe I should experiment with starting with the ending and final resolution, then do the dramatic climax that still has more unresolved tension, and work my way backwards to the intro. If I have enough time over the holidays, I'll try to do that with my last piece that I was planning to submit for unleashed, because I'm particularly unhappy with the ending of that one. Thanks again!
     
  7. @Francesco Bortolussi, in my opinion, you have lots of great ideas in this piece. You obviously have some really solid counterpoint skills at work here. And isn't Noteperformer amazing?

    So in my opinion what the piece lacks is a strong 8 bar melody to serve as the launch pad for all of this. Just my opinion. But to me, this sounds like the development section of a longer piece, with the exposition of the full melody missing. My only other suggestion would be to create more variety of texture by inserting a section that is more flowing, legato with longer note durations. If you did that, the piece would begin to resemble a Scherzo and trio. Just my opinion.

    You have a wonderful piece just as it is. Congratulations!
     
  8. It indeed is! I love it :)

    I was wondering if my melody was either too short or not strong enough, so thank you very much for this comment, it's very useful!

    I'm very glad you like it, I'm flattered! :)
     

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