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Transcription Requests

Discussion in 'Tips, Tricks & Talk' started by Rohann van Rensburg, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. #1 Rohann van Rensburg, Jul 12, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2017
    Hi all,

    Inspired by Mike's emphasis on transcription, and his talking about virtual group-mentorship (or something along that line), I was wondering if anyone would be interested in contributing to a thread where more experienced composers knock out a quick by-ear transcription of something one of us noobs are working on for accuracy reference if a score isn't readily available.

    Any takers?

    First submission, a fairly simple one:


    From 0:00 to roughly 1:30, or 1:30 to 2:35.


    EDIT: Didn't notice the "What's That Thing?" thread. It's pretty darn similar, so feel free to delete this mods.
     
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  2. #2 Aaron Venture, Jul 13, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2017
    Hi!

    Here's a quick draft, not sure if it's on point, I probably missed some. I had to sequence it first, so here's the audio file: https://clyp.it/4eb0xmlp

    The PDF of the notation is here: https://docdro.id/0DYq05M
    It's kinda messy, almost a direct export from Reaper to Sibelius, I only added the title and bar numbers.

    And MIDI is in the attachment. Note that Basses midi is like it's written, an octave higher that what it sounds, so for most libraries you'll have to transpose it down an octave.
     

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  3. Fantastic, thank you! Mockup sounds great too (what string library did you use?).

    I found the long reverb made it hard to pick out precisely what was happening in some of the midrange (at least in the first version of the theme) -- I could have sworn I heard a repeated E in the first bar, but I'm wondering now if that's simply the long reverb tail.
     
  4. #4 Doug Gibson, Jul 13, 2017
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    Hey: Nice Work. I just looked over the score. I think most of what you wrote out is right, however I don't think the doublings are that low.

    For example in your measure 4, I don't think the cellos have the G-A. I could be wrong.

    Also for the chord at 27, I hear a harmonizing of the melody. So C and F# falling to B and Eb.

    I don't know for sure, but I am hear things a little more spaced out like this.

    Nice Job !!

    PS. I am including a piano only version of the chord spacing first on the mp3, then with strings

     

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  5. I think this sort of thread is a great idea. Thanks to the contributors here for providing the score and the midi - a really useful learning tool!
     
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  6. You're welcome, this was a great morning exercise! I used CSS with a ~4sec reverb tail on top.

    Ah, you're right, Doug. Listening now, especially at 27, I don't know how I missed that. Thanks :D

    I don't think violins are brought in for this part, though. Upper character sounds the same to me throughout the first 32 bars.
     
  7. Really like this idea of quick transcriptions! Should be fun and informative :)

    Concerning the piece, I love the space Sakamoto has between chords. He really lets the music breathe and depict emptiness much like the film's landscape. Very evocative!
     
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  8. #8 Rohann van Rensburg, Jul 13, 2017
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    Thanks all for contributing! Glad to see this is well-received. Really helpful as a learning tool, especially for instrument groups I'm not as familiar with.

    I could swear I hear an E3 (in violas I'm assuming) in the first bar, rather than purely a step down to D. So G+E moving down to F#+E. Am I just hearing the reverb tail, or does my ear just need a lot of work?

    I completely agree -- a really good illustration about why space is just as important as notes.
     
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  9. You might be totally right. I just gave this one listen and was thinking Sul G.... only because the recording has such a big sound. You're probably right. You did nice work !
     
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  10. I hear it !! Nice job. I like your solution better. See..... you can do it !!!
    Now post a transcription score for us ! (to a different cue)
     
  11. Thanks! This is encouraging. I sure will, working on something else as we speak.
     
  12. This is pretty aleatoric, but I'm interested in this initial run, as I'm finding it hard to determine if it's in fact a run or portamento over top of trem (there's obviously trem in the low range).

     
  13. Here, I tried to play it in: https://bit.ly/2vz6gCY

    This is how MIDI looks like, and it's also attached.

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    I'm not really sure how I would notate it. I think that Violins I and II along with Violas are trilling and going up and down, kind of ad lib, and just hit the quarter notes on every beat and I think these are:

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    Celli are definitely playing tremolos:

    [​IMG]

    Really quick take on, I might be wrong. Generally I think that the most important thing with runs like this is to decide on the pattern you want / find the pattern and then working the notes in between isn't that hard.
     

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  14. Thanks again for trying it out! Your version sounds really close -- there's something about the original that sounds slightly chaotic, but I suspect this might have to do with sections playing the runs less precisely and more ad-lib than samples will allow.

    Re: Notation -- I have on or two of Garry's pieces in notated form and he does leave room for aleatory with score markings like "ad lib", etc.

    Great point about creating these -- the pattern is relatively clear, with a little bit of wiggle room at the top of the run.

    In terms of MIDI programming, did you use half-step trills for Vi1/2 and Viola?
     
  15. No problem! Of course, this is two dozen or more players each doing the pass similarly, and you can't achieve this with samples today.

    Interesting, thanks for the info. Yes, I find that approach to work for many things. Identify what's going on, the patterns, some clear tones, and anything else piece by piece, then piece it all together.

    This is just Spitfire Strings Performance patch with some EQ after to subdue the low-mid and bring out the high-mid, and the MIDI files are attached in the previous post.
     
  16. I'm curious to know, since Spitfire's Chamber Strings is only 4 players for Vi1 and 3 for other sections, if layering a few runs with a really minute pitch adjustment will get a slightly more similar effect.

    I'm finding transcribing gets easier and easier as one does it more, as arduous as it can be at first. Learning things like this can be tremendously helpful in finding shortcuts (i.e. learning that runs are typically just patterns).

    What I actually meant to ask was "which patch are you using" -- thanks for the info. The question I did ask was a bit daft (long day) :).
     
  17. Probably. I can't try it as I don't have Chamber Strings. But probably.

    Of course, that's the whole point of it. To mortalize it. To take it from "That is so cool, I wish I could do that" to "Oh yeah, that's this thing", analyze the context and have it ready for use whenever you want or whenever you're stuck and need a way out. I mean I'm just repeating what Mike's saying all the time.

    Ah, good thing I read your mind :D
     
  18. #18 Rohann van Rensburg, Jul 20, 2017
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    Hmmm... I'll give it a try and see what it sounds like.

    Indeed, but in my years of unrelated university education and the like, as well as having to not just memorize but understand fairly difficult abstract concepts (i.e. advanced psych statistics), I find that sort of "immersion" of repetition (i.e. "repeating what Mike says"), teaching it or discussing it with others, rewording it, etc, in addition to practicing it, is by far the best way to internalize it. The best thing one can do to solidify a concept is to explain it to others in one's own words and hear it from others, so all of this discussion I find quite helpful.


    :D.


    EDIT:
    The mix is poor as this was quick, but here's an attempt with some slight tune changes (with your MIDI):
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2fxax96gc9ece7z/2x Vi.wav?dl=0

    I think I humanized this too much, it sounds a bit too loose, but this is with another 4 violins transposed 3 and then -3 to get different RR's, and then tuned very slightly as well. This approach seems fairly promising if I can get it to sound a bit tighter:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xipw3d118bqtn5/3x Vi.wav?dl=0

    As an aside, I didn't modify the end of the MIDI much but I think there's some variation that goes up to F that makes it feel a bit more chaotic too. In the end I still think your mix sounds better, haha. Not sure SCS is aggressive enough?
     
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  19. Here's another one, tear it apart for me! Orchestration is something I don't have a strong grasp on so please correct me if I messed up re: voicings and the like. Haven't finished it fully but this is what I have so far, the cadence and rhythm of some of the intro parts was hard to get a handle on:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/coc96gf42ldorax/Bioshock Elizabeth.pdf?dl=0

     
  20. I can't really put my finger on the number of players here. I wonder if it's 2 violins, 2 violas and 2 cellos, with the pizz in the intro doubled after recording with violins only and panned right.
     

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