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Discussion in 'News & Announcements' started by David Carovillano, Dec 22, 2019.

  1. #1 David Carovillano, Dec 22, 2019
    Hi there!

    Please delete my account. I could not find where to do so myself.

    Regards,
    Dave
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    Sort of curious - delete it? Why not just... not use it...? You're not getting SPAM I hope. Deleting an account always seems like it's some sort of statement, and if so, maybe you should make it before you go!
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    Hi Mike,

    No statement is necessary. Would respectfully submit that one should not have to beg to have an account deleted. Thanks!
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    Fuck no, happy to do it, just wanted to, respectfully, suggest that if you had something to say, my forum is the place to do it. But whatever, you shall be dispensed with a whisper, like a fart in the wind, per your wishes.
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    And so, here's the statement I didn't wish to make: it seems that not only is Doug Gibson ill (continuing to post passive aggressive comments about me and William AFTER he's blocked ME because I'm the person creating bad vibes on his forum), but apparently, Mike Verta, the owner of this forum, whom I've only heard good things about elsewhere, but never had a chance to interact with, appears to be filled with a little too much sarcastic wit for his own good.

    Once again: Mike Verta, please delete my account and all my posts from this forum.

    Thank you,
    Dave
     
  2. #2 Mike Verta, Dec 22, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2019
    1) Congratulations on being in any way a man and saying your thing.

    2) Part of being a man means taking responsibility for what we say and do, so no your posts aren't going away just because you are.

    3) Holy fuck do you need to thicken up, tiger. If my sarcastic wit is good for anybody, it'd be you. The world is going to be a lot more aggressive than passive-aggressive when it comes to judging you and your music. And if you value Doug Gibson's opinion so much to be mad at it, that's on you. This is a place for dynamic music, dynamic people, and dynamic personalities, because those are the only people in the universe who make art worth a fuck. There is, here, a wealth of information, a vast amount of support, and a treasure trove of different expressions and philosophies. How we handle them is on us. And, incidentally, if you actually think you're being bullied, you stand against the bully, you don't cower. But still, you gotta value a person to care about their opinion, so the only person to be mad at is yourself.

    Best of luck.

    P.S. Tune into Unleashed VI this Saturday to see how people handle my fully-armed-and-operational-battlestation of sarcastic wit, delivering a superlaser of aggressive criticism directly at their softest spots. You might glean a useful thing or two.
     
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  3. #3 Doug Gibson, Dec 22, 2019
    I still have no idea what the hell set you off David. I had a very pleasant back and forth with you prior to the blow-up/

    The last sentence of our conversations (before my commenting on your piece) you said:

    "I'll stop rambling now, but again, I wanted to thank you for your wonderful insight into this, Doug"

    So I thought everything was nice and peaceful between us. https://redbanned.com/threads/achilles-concert-overture.962/#post-10309

    About a day or two later I saw William had deleted some comment and offered some kind of apology.
    I NEVER read what he wrote, but I guess my sentence about seeking admiration went the wrong way.

    It was never intended to be directed at anyone. It was just me sharing my own personal outlook.

    Something about that ....must have come across wrong and really ticked you both off.
    I still don't know why, and it was never about either of you.

    How could I even respond when it was deleted before I ever saw it?
    When I made a comment on your piece I went out of my way to say "This is not a personal attack".

    It still is not. I don't have anything against you. I think you are a fine composer.

    My post had the following:

    • I am not out to anger you
    • Plus, you are clearly a pro.
    • You have skills ....no doubt!
    • I never post comments on composers whose music I don't believe in
    Those are all words of praise. My critique had nothing personal. You are seeing "Ghosts".

    I had said:
    • For me: the piece just happens
    Ok, you did not like my story about Mozart and Salieri. "With Mozart........it's inevitable. It had to go there. With Salieri, it's interchangeable. You can take this, mix it with that, and no one would know the difference."

    There is NOTHING personal. It's just my opinion about the composition.

    Now, a few days after making those comments you went onto VI-Control and got mad people were not listening to your piece. What comments did you get? ( https://vi-control.net/community/threads/deleted.88249/)

    My personal opinion on your track here, is that it lacks melody and form (in lack of a better word, sorry). There's too many effects, too little time for melody and harmonic progression. - mediumaevum

    I completely agree with @mediumaevum in both topics.
    There really is a lack of melody, something to remember after listening, though the instruments are nice. I listened to the whole thing. -     Bluemount Score

    I did struggle to feel formal continuity. The episodic nature of the form seemed to me likely programmatic in origin, but as a listener I wasn't able to bring coherence to it without a program, at least in the limited time I had to give this afternoon - anjwilson

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    Then you deleted your work.

    There is nothing in my comments that you did not hear from every single person that listened to your piece. We all said basically the same thing. That is not me "bullying you" or being "passive-aggressive".

    I put you on ignore out of courtesy to the community. Who wants to read us go back and forth insulting each other? I was trying to be nice to you, and respectfully to the Redbanned community. Everyone here has seen my aggressive-aggressive side. I am not a passive aggressive person by nature, only out of kindness.

    I have NOT made any further comments about you, BTW. You are seeing ghosts.

    In John's thread, I made comments towards William.

    I wrote:
    • Did ya hear that "Bitch Boy Billie"?
    That is to William, not you. Same with the Baby Seal comment. He had said I only get joy from watching others suffer.........even though I put you on ignore. (makes no sense)

    The same with the midi as an existential threat. That was toward BBB. Those comments of his are deleted, but I am sure you can recall them.

    Just know, if this is goodbye, I think you have a great deal of talent, and I only wish you the best in all your musical endeavors. I was never out to get you. I don't know you at all as a person. I was only trying to offer feedback on the craft of music composition, and ..... believe it or not..... be helpful.


    This is good advice, and know ....that I personally would like you to "shake off" any negative feelings. Don't let me weigh you down.
    Sincerely....... just say to yourself "Fuck Doug Gibson" and never think about me again.

    It was never my intention to do that to you, and personally I really would like to see you become a super successful and happy composer.
     
  4. #4 Mike Verta, Dec 22, 2019
    TL;DR - You're only as good as the harshest criticism you're willing to hear. I open every year's Unleashed with that.

    Take that away and you have all kind of hand-wringing drama and butt-hurt, evidently - which is the stuff of toasty little buttercakes. And soft, toasty little buttercakes merely end up in the stool of victors.
     
  5. #5 Alexander Schiborr, Dec 22, 2019
    First.., I caught quite a lot of stones and got hit many times in the face, but I learned to evade (doing not the same mistakes over and over again).

    So in other words: Without that, I never have learned that much. It helped me A LOT.

    However, I can understand that not everybody takes critique so lightly, and sometimes one little light joke /phrase can be enough that the communication goes down the stream.

    We all strive for admission, recognition, self-fulfillment and getting a good feel comment is of course: fun time!

    Somehow just personally for me, I like a bit of torture. (paraphrasing!)

    That is the reason why I reached out to a few people here when I want let's say some real evaluation on my stuff.

    Also not every place is for everyone: It is just as simple as that. And there is neither something wrong with the place nor something wrong with the person who doesn´t like it.
     
  6. #6 Mike Verta, Dec 22, 2019
    It's true: there's nothing wrong with them. It's also true that Nature abhors weakness and exterminates it.

    Of course, humans think they're superior to Nature, but that's Dunning-Kruger for ya.
     
  7. #7 Luke Johnson, Dec 22, 2019
    Can't wait. I'm going to submit a piece that's my first Orchestral piece (as in only Orchestral instruments and no reliance on Electronic stuff). I was rewatching some of Unleashed 5 last night - and had to stop at 4am on my 6th hour as I realised I'd just watch the whole thing and not finish this piece of music I'm writing. Unleashed is insanely valuable. Your Masterclasses (of which I picked up the last remaining few I didn't have yesterday) are some of the best tuition I've ever experienced. So thank you for being you and being so generous with your knowledge. I'm going to start participating more here. A better New Years resolution than giving up Booze or something equally gay.
     
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